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Pridružen/-a: 31.08. 2007, 13:48
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The European Episcopal Commission, known as COMECE, consisting of 24 bishops, each representing a western country, met in Brussels, the headquarter of the European Parliament from November 12-14, 2008.
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COMECE is the Commission of the Bishops' Conferences of the European Community. It is made up of Bishops delegated by the Catholic Bishops' Conferences of the European Union and it has a permanent Secretariat in Brussels.
There are 24 delegate bishops from the Bishops' Conferences in the EU: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, England & Wales, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Scandinavia, Scotland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain – and the Archdiocese of Luxembourg. |
The Bishops agreed that :
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"the financial crisis has exposed a deeper spiritual crisis and a misguided set of values. The sense and value of human work has been pushed to the background in the general struggle for profit." "In their exchange of views with the State Secretary for European Affairs, the Church representatives expressed their wish to see the Sunday rest day being better protected in national legislations as well as in the future EU Working Time Directive which is currently being revised."
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To pomeni, da bo Evropski parlament ob naslednjem zasedanju, ki bi 15. decembra, diskutiral o predlogu Evropskih škofov da bi sprejeli zakonodajo "za zaščito nedelje". To je nov razvoj v zahodni Evropi, kjer je nedelja postala sekularen dan. 
Ta zakonodaja bi lahko pritegnila podporo ZDA.
V članku z naslovom " Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need," je Michael Pearce's zapisal v blog:
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| "There have been a lot of changes in the past 100 years. Not only have we seen gang activity increase along with crimes, but so has energy consumption. The other change I realized was the rescinding of the 'Sunday Laws' across the United States." |
The article continues listing a host of benefits provided by Sunday Laws. The conclusion of the article is:
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| "So perhaps we should consider enacting a Sunday Law. Not to restrict people from working, but to give liberty to those who can't choose. And imagine the tax dollars that would be saved?" http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Tritium/gG5ngR - predlagam, da preberete tudi komentarje pod blogom. |
Upam, da ne bo to smer Baracka Obame.
15. december, dan, ki se ga naj bojim?
Ali bo Evropski parlament sprejel zakonodajo "za zaščito nedelje" ("for the protection of Sunday,") in možen odmev na takšno zakonodajo v drugih državah, vključno z ZDA, kjer v 50 zveznih državah že obstajajo sprejeti tako imenovani "Blue Laws", ki prepovedujejo delo v nedeljah (zaenkrat še ni prisile za spoštovanje teh zakonov).
Sprejete nedeljskih zakonov po svetu je dan ki ga adventisti napovedujejo že od samega začetka svojega obstoja in se ga bojijo, saj naznanja konec verske svobode in prisilno spoštovanje zakona, ki bo vsiljen vsem.
Tudi pri nas je bil sprejet "nedeljski zakon" zakon, ki prepoveduje delo (obratovanje trgovin) ob nedeljah. Zaenkrat je padel zaradi neustavnosti.
Podoben zakon se sedaj pripravlja tudi na Hrvaškem.
Priporočam ogled zadnje tretjine filma za boljše razumevanje, česa se bojim.
Menim, da je članek iz Družine, ki ga je objavila Poulet del tega razmišljanja iz člankov, ki sem jih omenila, čeprav ni pokazal celotne agende. Bo finančna kriza povod za obračanje k verskim avtoritetam in iskanje rešitve in predlogov z njihove strani?
(se opravičujem, vendar nimam časa za prevod)
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Pridružen/-a: 17.08. 2007, 22:25
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Karkoli so škofje napisali v tej izjavi je irelevantno, saj nobeden izmed njih nima izobrazbe s področja ekonomije. Da niti ne govorimo o objavah v revijah s faktorjem vpliva.
Gre za nov napad na sekularno državo in kršenje 7. člena ustave.
Kar se tiče nedelje, je predlog slaboumen.
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Pridružen/-a: 20.08. 2007, 13:39
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hja, jest pa hočem še frej sobote, k majo določene verske ločine soboto za svet dan (npr Judje), pa hočem met še frej za pravoslavni božič in novo leto, pa za bajram pa kurban bajram, pa vse komunistične praznike z 29.11. na čelu.
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Pridružen/-a: 27.06. 2008, 18:04
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Izgleda, da jih je kapitalizem zgazil do te mere, da morajo svoja načela uzakoniti, če še hočejo vplivati na ljudi.
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Pridružen/-a: 31.08. 2007, 13:48
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Glas koncila: ComECE izražava žaljenje da u europsku direktivu neće biti uključena slobodna nedjelja
Katolička tiskovna agencija: U EUROPSKU DIREKTIVU O RADNOM VREMENU NEĆE BITI UKLJUČENA SLOBODNA NEDJELJA
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Generalni tajnik Vijeća biskupskih konferencija zemalja Europske unije (ComECE) prof. Piotr Mazurkiewicz priopćio je 17. prosinca da neradna nedjelja neće biti uključena u buduću europsku direktivu o radnom vremenu, premda je usklađivanje rada i obiteljskoga života jedan od glavnih ciljeva te direktive. Odluku Europskoga parlamenta prof. Mazurkiewicz je ocijenio nedosljednom i "propuštenom prilikom" kad se uzme u obzir što danas europski građani očekuju u socijalnoj Europi koja štiti radnike i njihove obitelji. Zahvalio je svima koji su se zauzeli u prilog nedjeljnoga odmora.
Zastupnici Marie Panayotopoulos-Cassiotou, Thomas Mann i Hubert Pirker predložili su dva amandmana o uvođenju nedjelje kao tjednog dana za odmor. Amandmane je potpisalo više od 40 zastupnika svih političkih usmjerenja, a poduprli su ih crkveni predstavnici, udruge za zaštitu nedjelje i sindikati više zemalja članica. Mazurkiewicz izražava žaljenje što se zbog proceduralnih razloga nisu mogli izjasniti o tim amandmanima te je tako popuštena prilika za raspravu o tom za europske građane važnom pitanju. S obzirom na snage koje su se zauzele za pitanje slobodne nedjelje u izglasavanju europske direktive o radnom vremenu, važno je da Crkve, nevladine organizacije i sindikati ostanu budni i nastave se u svojim zemljama zajednički i složno zauzimati osobito kad su u pitanju temeljna socijalna prava, poručio je Mazurkiewicz.
Početkom studenoga u Bruxellesu je predsjedavajući odbora Europskoga parlamenta za zapošljavanje i socijalna pitanja odbio u glasovanje uvrstiti amandmane skupine zastupnika o uključivanju neradne nedjelje u buduću europsku direktivu o radnom vremenu. Generalni tajnik ComECE-a tada je pozvao zastupnike da iskoriste mogućnost da do rasprave dođe na plenumu sredinom prosinca u Strasbourgu, istaknuvši kako je neradna nedjelja ključna za izgradnju europskoga socijalnog modela te ima središnje značenje za mnoštvo europskih radnika i njihove obitelji.
Trenutačno su u Europskom parlamentu u drugom čitanju izmjene direktive o radnom vremenu iz godine 2003. U prijedlozima koje je 22. listopada iznijelo sedam zastupnika iz redova Europske pučke stranke, Stranke europskih socijalista i Saveza liberala i demokrata za Europu ističe se značenje neradne nedjelje za zaštitu zdravlja radnika, budući da ono ovisi i o načinu na koji radnik usklađuje posao i obitelj, socijalne kontakte i osobne interese. Pritom su istaknuli da su izostanci s radnog mjesta i bolovanja češći u poduzećima koja rade nedjeljom te da je nedjelja "logični izbor" za obiteljske aktivnosti budući da su vrtići i škole zatvoreni. Ako Europski parlament smjernicama zaista želi ostvariti proklamirani cilj usklađivanja poslovnoga i obiteljskoga života, morat će uzeti u obzir i neradnu nedjelju, istaknuo je tada Mazurkiewicz. (kta/ika) |
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Austria, Czech Republic, Poland
Austria: Sunday alliance
The EU's Working Time Directive does not envisage the protection of Sunday rest. On December 18 Fr. Piotr Mazurkiewicz, COMECE Secretary General, voiced his disappointment: "Sunday as the privileged weekly rest is not mentioned in the new Directive, although the reconciliation of work and family life is the explicit aim of this Directive". He said the "provision is incoherent" and "a missed opportunity when we consider how much European citizens expect today in a Social Europe which protects workers and their families". "Considering the mobilization achieved on the Sunday issue for the vote on the Working Time Directive, it is important for Churches, Trade Unions and civil society organizations to continue to stay mobilized and to speak out with one voice on this fundamental social issue", Fr. Mazurkiewicz declared. As reported by Kathpress Austrian Catholic news agency, also Msgr. Ludwig Schwarz, Bishop of Linz, expressed his "disappointment" for excluding the protection of Sunday. Msgr. Schwarz - in charge of social questions for Austria's Bishops' Conference - ensured that the Association "Allianz für den freien Sonntag" (Alliance for work-free Sunday) would continue its public-awareness activity on the issue. "The fact that Sunday-rest is being debated by the EU is a small step in this direction", remarked Gabriele Kienesberger, from the Association. The Work-Free Sunday Alliance is active in Austria, Poland and Germany. Over 50 organizations linked to the Church, Unions and economic environments are members of Austria's. http://www.db.agenziasir.it/sir/dati/2008-12/24-5596/eur90ing.rtf |
Moram reči, da sem si oddahnila, da Evropska unija ni sprejela Nedeljskega zakona. Kar me bolj skrbi je dejstvo, da si bodo še naprej prizadevali, da bi bil nedeljski počitek uzakonjen.
Me zanima kako bi se počutili, če bi nekdo želel uzakoniti kakšen drug dan iz verskega razloga, na katerega ne bi "smeli" delati.
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Pridružen/-a: 31.08. 2007, 13:48
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The Vatican wants to establish Sunday observance in EU law. If our peoples really understood history, this would terrify them.
The Roman Catholic Church has been fighting to make Sunday observance mandatory in Europe for the past 15 years. Its efforts have not yet succeeded in having a Sunday rest enshrined in European Union law—though at times it has come close.
Over the past few months, the church has been on the attack using the EU’s Working Time Directive.
A hideously socialist piece of legislation, the Working Time Directive makes it illegal for a person to work for more than 48 hours a week. When originally passed back in 1993, the directive required all employees to have a weekly rest period, which “shall in principle include Sunday”—though it did concede that “it is ultimately for each member state to decide whether Sunday should be included in the weekly rest period, and if so to what extent.” But before EU nations enforced the directive, the European Court of Justice annulled the provision that would require employees to rest on Sunday.
Catholics have been trying to get the provision back in the directive ever since. They may be close to doing so. The principle of Sunday rest is already codified in EU law for all employees under 18, within the 1994 Protection of Young People at Work Directive. It would be just one more step for the EU to impose it on the whole workforce.
Many members of the European Parliament (meps) have supported the introduction of a Sunday rest clause over the past few months. More than 40 meps signed two amendments to the Working Time Directive that would enforce Sunday observance “in principle.” The amendments did not go to vote for procedural reasons.
Of course, behind the latest Sunday amendment proposals is the Catholic Church. The Brussels-based Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the European Community (comece), a group of Catholic bishops, has been leading the charge. In a November statement calling for the European Parliament to enforce Sunday, comece said: “If the European Parliament is taking seriously the point clearly outlined in the directive, it would be logical that it completed the present text with a disposition on Sunday as a day of weekly rest.” The protection of Sunday, said comece Secretary General Piotr Mazurkiewicz, “is a cornerstone of the European social model and an issue of central importance for workers and their families” (TheParliament.com, Nov. 10, 2008). comece representatives have also met with a number of politicians to push their cause.
The directive will be under discussion for a few more months. comece admonished the church to “stay mobilized” on the Sunday issue (press release, Dec. 17, 2008). Don’t be surprised if a little pressure from the right place gets a new amendment added enforcing Sunday.
The pope has been a strong advocate of the revival of Sunday keeping. “Without Sunday [worship], we cannot live!” Pope Benedict xvi declared during a mass on Sept. 9, 2007, stating that it was a “necessity” for all people.
The prospect of a European government so powerful that it could declare one specific day a day of rest is frightening. This would be an EU willing and able to enforce lifestyle changes on its subjects whether they liked it or not. It would be a Europe that enforced a state religion: Catholicism.
Historically, when the Catholic Church has started telling everyone to observe Sunday, it has soon after started enforcing that law with brutality. Take the Council of Laodicea, for example. In a.d. 363, the Catholic Church proclaimed that all those who did not keep Sunday, but rather rested on Saturday, were “anathema”—cursed, or excommunicated—from Christ. The Roman Empire then started torturing and martyring all who disobeyed. After Charlemagne gained power over Europe, he too began murdering those who kept Saturday. Throughout the Middle Ages, Saturday observers were tortured and murdered at the behest of the Catholic Church.
Every time Europe has been strong and united, it has enforced Sunday worship. Europe is becoming united, and its leaders are once again trying to enforce Sunday.
Making Sunday observance mandatory is just the first step down a bloody but well-worn road. Yet Pope Benedict has said that the revival of Sunday worship is fundamental to his mission.
To anyone familiar with the teachings of the late Herbert W. Armstrong, the fact that the EU is blatantly trying to enforce Sunday should be electrifying. Here is what he wrote: “The Roman Church caused people to receive the mark of pagan Rome—the Sunday observed by the pagan Roman Empire—and the penalty for disobedience was death! Fifty million or more were put to death—so says history. … Yes, the mark … once again will be enforced! No one will be able to hold a job or engage in business without it. Those refusing will once again be tortured and martyred—probably by the secret police of the political state—but at the behest of the church!” (Who or What Is the Prophetic Beast?).
Mr. Armstrong wrote those words over 56 years ago, before the European Economic Community even started. Now, European leaders are discussing amendments that would force Sunday observance on the whole of Europe, exactly the way Mr. Armstrong said they would. Bible prophecy reveals that, soon, no one will be allowed to work on Sunday, and those who wish to observe Saturday will be unable to buy or sell (Revelation 13:16-17). As in the past, when the Catholic Church has the power to enforce Sunday, life will be brutal for those who disagree.
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5792.0.111.0
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Pridružen/-a: 07.01. 2008, 16:09
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Kot je že napisal cr: zadeva je v nasprotju z našo ustavo, na podali 3a. člena ustave pa tudi ta del suverenosti nismo prenesli na EU, da bi o tem vprašanju lahko odločala zavezujoče, neposredno.
EU bi lahko torej izdala le kakšne neobvezujoče smernice glede tega.
Po drugi strani pa Vatikan sploh ni članica EU in ne more sodelovati v postopku sprejemanja predpisov v EU (komisija in e. parlament)
Sicer se pa tudi EU ne vtika v zakonodajo suverene mestne države Vatikan, ali ne? |
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Pridružen/-a: 31.08. 2007, 13:48
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Delam v štirih (z številko 4) izmenah v Savi Kranj....statistično sem prost eno nedeljo in dve soboti na leto....
Državni prazniki (razen božiča in velike noči-ne velikonočnega ponedeljka zraven štet-) so delavni.........
Tako da....pričakujem od naše svete rimokatoliške in apostolske Cerkve, da reče kakšno še v naš bran...govorim o 2000 zaposlenih. |
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Delam v štirih (z številko 4) izmenah v Savi Kranj....statistično sem prost eno nedeljo in dve soboti na leto....
Državni prazniki (razen božiča in velike noči-ne velikonočnega ponedeljka zraven štet-) so delavni.........
Tako da....pričakujem od naše svete rimokatoliške in apostolske Cerkve, da reče kakšno še v naš bran...govorim o 2000 zaposlenih. |
Itak. Verjetno bodo kupili 20% delnic in uvedli kurate.
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Potem, ko jim je zaradi proceduralnh razlogov propadel prvi poskus za uzakonitev nedelje kot isključni dan tedenskega počitka, ne glede na to, da s tem postavijo v poslovno diskriminatorni, eksistencionalni, verski in družbeni položaj vse tiste, ki imajo kakšen drug dan počitka, so rimokatoliška cerkev, anglikanska cerkev in nemška evangeličanska cerkev napisale "deklaracijo o zaščiti nedelje v EU" in jo ponovno poslale v proceduro EU. Omenjene verske skupnosti delujejo s pomočjo članov evropskega parlamenta. Glavna cerkev, od katere prihaja iniciativa o prepovedi dela v nedeljo je rimokatoliška cerkev.
http://www.comece.org/
Sledijo anglikanska cerkev,
http://www.cofe.anglican.org/news/pr1909.html
in nemška evangeličanska cerkev
http://www.ekd.de/sonntagsruhe/aktuell/pm_schutz_des_arbeitsfreien_sonntags.html
... ko se cerkev začne vpletati v sprejemanje zakonov, ki so na škodo drugim verskim skupnostim, ki imajo nedeljo za delovni dan in dela prost dan kakšen drug dan tedna...
Judje so bili prav tako pomemben steber evropske kulturne dediščine, pa vendar niso nikjer omenjeni s svojo dela prosto soboto. Bilo je seveda brezštevilno poskusov jih iztrebiti in uničiti njihovo kulturo, ki je prisotna v evropi dlje od krščanstva. Zgodovina se bo ponovila, ker se ničesar ne naučimo iz nje.
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Na te zadeve gledam predvsem iz praktičnega gledišča, ne religioznega.
1.Smatram za nujno potrebno, da je vsaj en dan v tednu dela prost. Saj vendar nismo roboti.
2.Smatram da je edino smiselno, da imajo VSI ljudje na nekem področju isti dan počitka. Če imajo različne, je praktično nemogoče uskladiti delovna mesta. Podjetja in ustanove pač ne morejo zaposlene ločevati glede na veroizpoved in jih ustrezno razporejati.
3.Ker smo še vedno pretežno religijsko usmerjeni in ker se skoraj edino še religije borijo za dela prost dan, je skoraj logično, da bo imel izbrani dela prost dan religiozno ozadje.
4.Ker je v EU področju prevladujoča katoliška skupnost, tudi neverni v veliki meri sprejemajo katoliške normative (pač indoktrinacija) je pričakovano, da bo izbrani dela prosti dan katoliški.
Ljudje smo pač takšni, da gremo vedno raje po liniji najmanjšega odpora in da se obnašamo tako kot večina. Zato so kakršnakoli drugačna pričakovanja zgolj utopija.
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Na te zadeve gledam predvsem iz praktičnega gledišča, ne religioznega.
1.Smatram za nujno potrebno, da je vsaj en dan v tednu dela prost. Saj vendar nismo roboti.
2.Smatram da je edino smiselno, da imajo VSI ljudje na nekem področju isti dan počitka. Če imajo različne, je praktično nemogoče uskladiti delovna mesta. Podjetja in ustanove pač ne morejo zaposlene ločevati glede na veroizpoved in jih ustrezno razporejati.
3.Ker smo še vedno pretežno religijsko usmerjeni in ker se skoraj edino še religije borijo za dela prost dan, je skoraj logično, da bo imel izbrani dela prost dan religiozno ozadje.
4.Ker je v EU področju prevladujoča katoliška skupnost, tudi neverni v veliki meri sprejemajo katoliške normative (pač indoktrinacija) je pričakovano, da bo izbrani dela prosti dan katoliški.
Ljudje smo pač takšni, da gremo vedno raje po liniji najmanjšega odpora in da se obnašamo tako kot večina. Zato so kakršnakoli drugačna pričakovanja zgolj utopija.
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Kolikor jaz vem, večina ima proste vikende. Res pa je, da se dandanes opravljajo preko vikenda nekatere storitve, ki se včasih niso in več ljudi dela ob vikendih.
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Pridružen/-a: 20.08. 2007, 23:21
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| Objavljeno: Torek 05 Okt 2010 00:58 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Imaš prav. Tako ali tako ima večina proste vikende in si lahko vzame soboto ali nedeljo za svojo... "nedeljo". Ampak če to dejstvo sprejmeš, bistvo naslovnega posta izgubi smisel... |
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Pridružen/-a: 17.08. 2007, 22:25
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| Objavljeno: Četrtek 14 Okt 2010 23:11 Naslov sporočila: |
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| Imaš prav. Tako ali tako ima večina proste vikende in si lahko vzame soboto ali nedeljo za svojo... "nedeljo". Ampak če to dejstvo sprejmeš, bistvo naslovnega posta izgubi smisel... |
Že mogoče vendar če pristanemo na ekonomsko svobodo potem pač moram imeti možnost, da je moja trgovina odprta v nedeljo, ko očitno obstaja povpraševanje. Res pa je, da je prav, da nedeljsko delo tudi nedeljsko plačam.
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