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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Iz odličnega bloga Pharyngula (Evolution, development, and random biological ejaculations from a godless liberal  ):
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IT'S A FRACKIN' CRACKER!
There are days when it is agony to read the news, because people are so goddamned stupid. Petty and stupid. Hateful and stupid. Just plain stupid. And nothing makes them stupider than religion.
Here's a story that will destroy your hopes for a reasonable humanity.
Webster Cook says he smuggled a Eucharist, a small bread wafer that to Catholics symbolic of the Body of Christ after a priest blesses it, out of mass, didn't eat it as he was supposed to do, but instead walked with it.
This isn't the stupid part yet. He walked off with a cracker that was put in his mouth, and people in the church fought with him to get it back.  It is just a cracker!
Catholics worldwide became furious.
Would you believe this isn't hyperbole? People around the world are actually extremely angry about this — Webster Cook has been sent death threats over his cracker. Those are just kooks, you might say, but here is the considered, measured response of the local diocese:
"We don't know 100% what Mr. Cooks motivation was," said Susan Fani a spokesperson with the local Catholic diocese. "However, if anything were to qualify as a hate crime, to us this seems like this might be it."
We just expect the University to take this seriously," she added "To send a message to not just Mr. Cook but the whole community that this kind of really complete sacrilege will not be tolerated."
Wait, what? Holding a cracker hostage is now a hate crime? The murder of Matthew Shephard was a hate crime. The murder of James Byrd Jr. was a hate crime. This is a goddamned cracker. Can you possibly diminish the abuse of real human beings any further? 
Well, you could have a priest compare this event to a kidnapping. 
"It is hurtful," said Father Migeul Gonzalez with the Diocese. "Imagine if they kidnapped somebody and you make a plea for that individual to please return that loved one to the family."
Gonzalez said the Diocese is willing to meet with Cook and help him understand the importance of the Eucharist in hopes of him returning it. The Diocese is dispatching a nun to UCF's campus to oversee the next mass, protect the Eucharist and in hopes Cook will return it.
I like the idea of sending a scary nun to guard the ceremony at the next mass. But even better…let's send Webster Cook to hell!
Gonzalez said intentionally abusing the Eucharist is classified as a mortal sin in the Catholic church, the most severe possible. If it's not returned, the community of faith will have to ask for forgiveness.
"We have to make acts of reparation," Gonzalez said. "The whole community is going to turn to prayer. We'll ask the Lord for pardon, forgiveness, peace, not only for the whole community affected by it, but also for [Cook], we offer prayers for him as well."
Get some perspective, man. IT'S A CRACKER. 
And of course, Bill Donohue is outraged (I know, Donohue is going to die of apoplexy someday when a gnat violates his oatmeal, so this isn't saying much).
For a student to disrupt Mass by taking the Body of Christ hostage--regardless of the alleged nature of his grievance--is beyond hate speech. That is why the UCF administration needs to act swiftly and decisively in seeing that justice is done. All options should be on the table, including expulsion.
Oh, beyond hate speech. Where does this fit on the Shoah scale, Bill? It shouldn't even register, but here is Wild-Eyed Bill the Offended calling for the expulsion of a student…for not swallowing a cracker.
Would you believe that the mealy-mouthed president of the university, John Hitt, is avoiding defending his student is instead playing up the importance of the Catholic church to the university? Of course you would. That's what university presidents do. Bugger the students, keep the donors and the state reps happy.
Unfortunately, Webster Cook has now returned the cracker. Why?
Webster just wants all of this to go away. Especially now that he feels his life is in danger. 
That's right. Crazy Christian fanatics right here in our own country have been threatening to kill a young man over a cracker. This is insane. These people are demented fuckwits.  And Cook is not out of the fire yet — that Fox News story ends with an open incitement to cause him further misery.
University officials said, that as for right now, Webster Cook is not in trouble. If anyone or any group wants to file a formal complaint with the University through the student judicial system, they can. If that happens, Webster will go through a hearing either in front of an administrative panel or a panel of his peers.
Got that? If you don't like what Webster Cook did, all you have to do is complain to the university, and they will do the dirty work for you of making his college experience miserable. And don't assume the university would support Cook; the college is now having armed university police officers standing guard during mass.
I find this all utterly unbelievable. It's like Dark Age superstition and malice, all thriving with the endorsement of secular institutions here in 21st century America. It is a culture of deluded lunatics calling the shots and making human beings dance to their mythical bunkum.
So, what to do. I have an idea. Can anyone out there score me some consecrated communion wafers?  There's no way I can personally get them — my local churches have stakes prepared for me, I'm sure — but if any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I'll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare. I won't be tempted to hold it hostage (no, not even if I have a choice between returning the Eucharist and watching Bill Donohue kick the pope in the balls, which would apparently be a more humane act than desecrating a goddamned cracker), but will instead treat it with profound disrespect and heinous cracker abuse, all photographed and presented here on the web. I shall do so joyfully and with laughter in my heart. If you can smuggle some out from under the armed guards and grim nuns hovering over your local communion ceremony, just write to me and I'll send you my home address. 
Just wait. Now there'll be a team of Jesuits assigned to rifle through my mail every day. |
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/its_a_goddamned_cracker.php
(poudarki so moji)
Kaj naj dodam??? Kaj za vraga naj še dodam? It's a fucking cracker!!!!
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Pridružen/-a: 29.05. 2008, 21:19
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rabim eno manjšo pomoč pri prevajanju: Je cracker mišljeno piškotek, ali odvisnik od cracka(cracker?)
besedila še nisem v celoti prebral, delno me pri tem ovira dolžina teksta, delno pa pasivno znanje angleščine. |
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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Cracker, piškotek, o katerem je govora, je v tem primeru hostija. 
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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Mogoče bom pa tudi jaz šla danes ali jutri v cerkev, vzela štiklc Jezusovega meseka in ga ugrabila. Mogoče se bom poslikala z žrtvijo ugrabitve, dala slike na net in zahtevala odkupnino.
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Pridružen/-a: 24.09. 2007, 15:11
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Hehe.
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Pridružen/-a: 29.05. 2008, 21:19
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| hahah XD ne bi bilo bolj priročno vzeti križasto palico s truplom na vrhu? Sporočilo bi bolj močno udarilo |
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Pridružen/-a: 16.12. 2007, 13:50
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| hahah XD ne bi bilo bolj priročno vzeti križasto palico s truplom na vrhu? Sporočilo bi bolj močno udarilo |
Sploh ni finta v tem. Problem je namreč, da je cela panika (in da dečku grozi potencialna izključitev s kolidža, če smo pri tem), ker hostije ni pojedel pri maši, ampak jo je nesel iz cerkve Niti poskusil ni oskruniti cerkve, koga ubiti ali komurkoli kakorkoli škoditi - samo pečeno mešanico moke in vode je odnesel s sabo. In to primerjajo z dejansko ugrabitvijo človeka in trdijo, da gre za sovražni zločin, primerljiv z umorom iz sovraštva oziroma z ugrabitvijo Pri tem seveda vsi lepo pozabljajo na to, da RKC aktivno skriva dejanske zločince, ki so zlorabili svoj položaj moči in posiljevali svoje farane, mnoge med njimi mladoletne, nekatere celo otroke - to je zanemarljivo in niti najmanj pomembno in ne škodi ne cerkvi ne religiji sami, kaj šele ljudem. Ne. To, da odneseš pečeno domače lepilo iz cerkve pa je zločin najhujše vrste in, kar je še bolj grozljivo, smrtni, neodpustljivi greh, zaradi katerega bo "plačala" (seveda duhovno) celotna fara Kdo pa plačuje za uničena življenja otrok, ki so jih posilili duhovniki? Tisto je bil pa greščič, ki je zahteval pet zdravamarij in dva rožna venca 
Če bi iz cerkve odnesel dejansko relikvijo, bi storil kaznivo dejanje, kar kraja tudi je. Študentek, o katerem je govora, ni storil absolutno ničesar protizakonitega, preganjajo ga pa kot da je najmanj posilil nadškofa.
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Pridružen/-a: 17.08. 2007, 22:25
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Glede na zločine RKC bom podal kazensko ovadbo iz zahteval da crackerje nenudoma aretirajo saj JK nosi poveljniško odgovrnost za vse kar je njegova počela.
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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Meni se zdi neverjetno, da ljudje v 21. stoletju dejansko verjamejo, da ima en piškotek oziroma oblat iz moke in vode magične lastnosti.
Če bi jaz na primer verjela, da se med zajtrkom moj toast magično preobrazi v Kleopatro, bi me ljudje imeli za noro. Če pa bi verjela, da se piškotek čudežno preobrazi (zadevi so dali tudi visoko zveneče ime: transsubstanciacija - najbrž v obupanem poskusu, da bi ji nadeli resen prizvok, ker se začne ob taki ideji vsak normalen krohotati ) v Jezusa med obiskom cerkvene maše, pa bi bila samo katolik in bi me imeli za popolnoma normalno. WTF? Pa kaj je narobe z ljudmi?
Ta primer kaže samo na to, da kristjani niso čisto nič manj usekani, fanatični in nevarni kot muslimani. Če se samo spomnim, s kakšnimi žaljivkami so obkladali muslimane, ki so hoteli prebičati neko učiteljico, ker je plišastemu medvedku dala ime Mohamed (in s tem po njihovem mnenju žalila njihovega preroka), naj pogledajo sebe in svojo reakcijo ob jebenem piškotku, for crying out loud!!! INSANE PRICKS! Vsi skupaj. 
P.S. Se bom jutri pofotkala z žrtvijo bodoče ugrabitve in zahtevala odkupnino. Če so pravi katoliki, bodo pa ja rade volje plačali za rešitev svojega odrešenika.
P.P.S. A katoliki potem, ko "prejmejo Jezusovo telo" v obliki hostije, nekaj ur kasneje svoje boga... poserjejo? Tc, tc, tc - in oni bodo o spoštljivem odnosu... 
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Pridružen/-a: 17.08. 2007, 22:25
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Meni se zdi neverjetno, da ljudje v 21. stoletju dejansko verjamejo, da ima en piškotek oziroma oblat iz moke in vode magične lastnosti.
Če bi jaz na primer verjela, da se med zajtrkom moj toast magično preobrazi v Kleopatro, bi me ljudje imeli za noro. Če pa bi verjela, da se piškotek čudežno preobrazi (zadevi so dali tudi visoko zveneče ime: transsubstanciacija - najbrž v obupanem poskusu, da bi ji nadeli resen prizvok, ker se začne ob taki ideji vsak normalen krohotati ) v Jezusa med obiskom cerkvene maše, pa bi bila samo katolik in bi me imeli za popolnoma normalno. WTF? Pa kaj je narobe z ljudmi?
Ta primer kaže samo na to, da kristjani niso čisto nič manj usekani, fanatični in nevarni kot muslimani. Če se samo spomnim, s kakšnimi žaljivkami so obkladali muslimane, ki so hoteli prebičati neko učiteljico, ker je plišastemu medvedku dala ime Mohamed (in s tem po njihovem mnenju žalila njihovega preroka), naj pogledajo sebe in svojo reakcijo ob jebenem piškotku, for crying out loud!!! INSANE PRICKS! Vsi skupaj.
P.S. Se bom jutri pofotkala z žrtvijo bodoče ugrabitve in zahtevala odkupnino. Če so pravi katoliki, bodo pa ja rade volje plačali za rešitev svojega odrešenika.
P.P.S. A katoliki potem, ko "prejmejo Jezusovo telo" v obliki hostije, nekaj ur kasneje svoje boga... poserjejo? Tc, tc, tc - in oni bodo o spoštljivem odnosu... |
Ja saj. Oni naprimer govorijo, da je njihov bog povsod pa sem Nastrana vprašal, zakaj ga je potem treba jesti?
Kolko misliš odkupnine zahtevati?
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Pridružen/-a: 27.06. 2008, 18:04
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| A=A. S to svojo versko logiko pa lahko stvari ovrednotijo ali razvrednotijo brez omejitev, ker nič nima dorečenega pomena. Recimo denar: denar, ki si ga prigaraš, je grešen, tisti, ki ga cerkev nafehta z vzbujanjem krivde pri drugih, pa ne. Saj se vidi, da pri religiji ni vere, ampak samo neka jebena politika. Torej, če si drzniš enačiti politiko z nekakšnim parazitskim pridobitništvom. Cerkev obstaja samo tako dolgo, dokler ji pustiš. Enako kot tisti uvoženi poklicni klošarji. Vsakdo bi moral imeti toliko delovne etike, da ne bi razdajal ali sprejemal prigaranega v zameno za nič. Potem bi tudi kruh bil, to, kar je: kruh. |
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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Kolko misliš odkupnine zahtevati? |
Pa, čuj... glede na to, da gre za njihovega BOGA, za samo BISTVO Jezusa v enem piškotku, ni menda prevelika nobena cena. Morali bi plačati milijon evrov najmanj (zbirala bi tudi manjše prispevke, tako kot oni - samo da v virtualno pušico). Če dajo radi za duhovnike, veš, koliko bi morali dati za svojega boga? Pa da vidimo, koliko so RES pripravljeni dati za Jezusa (in ne samo vrteti goflje)!
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Glede na zločine RKC bom podal kazensko ovadbo iz zahteval da crackerje nenudoma aretirajo saj JK nosi poveljniško odgovrnost za vse kar je njegova počela.
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Pridružen/-a: 01.10. 2007, 20:26
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Glede na zločine RKC bom podal kazensko ovadbo iz zahteval da crackerje nenudoma aretirajo saj JK nosi poveljniško odgovrnost za vse kar je njegova počela.
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Hehe, ja.
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| Če dajo radi za duhovnike, veš, koliko bi morali dati za svojega boga? Pa da vidimo, koliko so RES pripravljeni dati za Jezusa (in ne samo vrteti goflje)! |
Tvoje življenje. |
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Pridružen/-a: 16.12. 2007, 13:50
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| Če dajo radi za duhovnike, veš, koliko bi morali dati za svojega boga? Pa da vidimo, koliko so RES pripravljeni dati za Jezusa (in ne samo vrteti goflje)! |
Tvoje življenje. |
Auč. Ta me je prav malo stresla, očitno zato, ker je skoraj malce preveč realistična. Good 'un.
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| Če dajo radi za duhovnike, veš, koliko bi morali dati za svojega boga? Pa da vidimo, koliko so RES pripravljeni dati za Jezusa (in ne samo vrteti goflje)! |
Tvoje življenje. |
True, so true.  Pri čemer bi se zraven seveda drli: "Every life is sacred!"  (Kar v prevodu iz katolibanščine pomeni samo, da so ena življenja mičkeno bolj sveta kot druga. Fej.)
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Ne vem, zakaj me vse to s hostijo asocira na kanibalizem
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| Ne vem, zakaj me vse to s hostijo asocira na kanibalizem |
Mogoče zato, ker je obredni kanibalizem? Glede na zgornjo reakcijo, je RKC to absolutno potrdila, pa me čisto nič ne zanima, če se želijo otepati te ideje. Če evharistija ni obredni kanibalizem, potem je hostija samo pečeno domače lepilo in razen neke socialno-združevalne funkcije nima nobenega posebnega pomena. Nadalje to pomeni, da je popolnoma vseeno, kaj s hostijo narediš.
Sodeč po reakciji katolikov na "incident" (oziroma že samo to, da omenjen dogodek vidijo kot incident) zgornje ne velja in se med transsubstanciacijo pečena mešanica moke in vode dejansko spremeni v Kristusovo telo, kar pomeni, da katoliki uživajo meso svojega boga. Temu se strokovno reče kanibalizem, pogovorno pa ljudožerstvo.
Včasih mi je prav všeč, da verniki sami dokazujejo moj prav...
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| Ne vem, zakaj me vse to s hostijo asocira na kanibalizem |
Mogoče zato, ker je obredni kanibalizem? Glede na zgornjo reakcijo, je RKC to absolutno potrdila, pa me čisto nič ne zanima, če se želijo otepati te ideje. Če evharistija ni obredni kanibalizem, potem je hostija samo pečeno domače lepilo in razen neke socialno-združevalne funkcije nima nobenega posebnega pomena. Nadalje to pomeni, da je popolnoma vseeno, kaj s hostijo narediš.
Sodeč po reakciji katolikov na "incident" (oziroma že samo to, da omenjen dogodek vidijo kot incident) zgornje ne velja in se med transsubstanciacijo pečena mešanica moke in vode dejansko spremeni v Kristusovo telo, kar pomeni, da katoliki uživajo meso svojega boga. Temu se strokovno reče kanibalizem, pogovorno pa ljudožerstvo.
Včasih mi je prav všeč, da verniki sami dokazujejo moj prav... |
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